CSS property for adding text to a style, like "NOTE:"

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Re: CSS property for adding text to a style, like "NOTE:"

Postby Dave Lee on Tue Apr 29, 2008 4:04 pm

mattf wrote:david,
I had done mine pretty much the exact same way, though I had been chagrined that I couldn't get the word Note or Tip to be bold. After I saw your post I added your "mc-auto-number-class: bold;" line to my .css but the bold does not show up either in ouput or in the Flare editor. Did that work for you?
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Have you looked at the formatting options in the stylesheet editor?

Open the style in the stylesheet editor and click on the mc-auto-number-format property.
The Auto-Number Format window appears, and from here you can apply all sorts of formatting.
To see the formatting options, select Show Format Commands from the list.

For example, adding bold formatting to your style would be:

p.note
{
mc-auto-number-format: '{b}NOTE: {/b}';
}
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Re: CSS property for adding text to a style, like "NOTE:"

Postby mattf on Tue Apr 29, 2008 10:25 pm

For example, adding bold formatting to your style would be:

p.note
{
mc-auto-number-format: '{b}NOTE: {/b}';
}


Wow, that's trippy. I'll give that a try tomorrow. I tried "other David"'s trick about using "mc-auto-number-class: bold" and it didn't work. I mean it TOOK it, even showed it in the stylesheet editor, but it didn't have any effect.

I'll let you know how this works.
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Re: CSS property for adding text to a style, like "NOTE:"

Postby Dave Lee on Wed Apr 30, 2008 2:08 am

Both ways work, although the auto-number-class method needs more detail than was provided.

When you set the mc-auto-number-class property, what you're doing is saying that the autonumber section will be contained within in a span tag of that class.

So, if you set mc-auto-number-class:noteformat, then you'd need to also set up the span class span.noteformat.
(I'm assuming the other David set up a span class span.bold)

E.g. to make the note bold using this method:

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p.note
{
   mc-auto-number-format: 'Note: ';
   mc-auto-number-class: noteformat;
}

span.noteformat
{
   font-weight: bold;
}


This method is fine if the format applies to the whole content of the auto-number (i.e. "Note: "). If you need to change formatting within the auto-number content itself, then you need to use the the formatting method that I mentioned in my last post.
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Re: CSS property for adding text to a style, like "NOTE:"

Postby davidgolden99 on Wed Apr 30, 2008 7:37 am

Dave Lee wrote:(I'm assuming the other David set up a span class span.bold)

That's exactly what I did. Then I saw that was possible to set up the bold in the autonumbering dialog box with curly braces {b}NOTE:{/b} -- or use the other method described above.
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Re: CSS property for adding text to a style, like "NOTE:"

Postby mattf on Wed Apr 30, 2008 9:06 am

Whoohoo!! The curly braces things worked. Yeah!!! When life is good, it's really good.

Thanks Dave and David! I'm off to create my Tip, Caution, and Warning styles...maybe even Danger!

:D
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Re: CSS property for adding text to a style, like "NOTE:"

Postby mattf on Wed Apr 30, 2008 2:38 pm

I should have known it was too good to be true. :cry:

The {b}{/b} tags show in the printed output. Guess it's back to the drawing board.
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Re: CSS property for adding text to a style, like "NOTE:"

Postby SteveS on Wed Apr 30, 2008 4:45 pm

mattf wrote:I should have known it was too good to be true. :cry:

The {b}{/b} tags show in the printed output. Guess it's back to the drawing board.


Its a pain, to be sure.

After I blogged on autonumbering, Doc Guy pointed out that the method I was using didn't work exactly as planned - the bold format didn't make it to word. Beacause I was using colour to highlight the note as well, I didn't notice the lack of bold.

In short, its a bug. I don't know if its with Flare, or with Word, but given Word's inability to play nicely with stylesheets I suspect Word.

You know the drill, submit a bug report. :wink:
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Re: CSS property for adding text to a style, like "NOTE:"

Postby jmenning on Wed Apr 30, 2008 4:48 pm

I know it's an extra step, and a pain, but the Replace feature in Word should be able to replace the {b} tags with formatting.

Find "{b}Note:{/b}"

Replace with "Note:" , and in the Replace options, use Format > Style or Format > Font to bold the text.

Just throwing that out there. It may or may not be worth the effort, depending on how frequently you generate the printed document.
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Re: CSS property for adding text to a style, like "NOTE:"

Postby mattf on Wed Apr 30, 2008 4:56 pm

the Replace feature in Word should be able to replace the {b} tags with formatting.


Not an option for me. Printed help is part of the deal. One of the main reasons I'm using Flare is because I need my nightly build system to automatically generate the PDF. Thus, there's no point where I can diddle Word, even if I was willing to, which I'm not. I make my edits in Flare, check it into source control, and walk to the bus. In the morning, there's a piping hot PDF waiting for me.

I'm still hoping for a miracle from one of you smarties. It's happened before. Come on, smack one out of the ballpark for me...somebody!

Seriously, thanks all. This single thread has been an educational experience for me.
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Re: CSS property for adding text to a style, like "NOTE:"

Postby jmenning on Wed Apr 30, 2008 5:29 pm

Yep, you're right. In that situation, it needs to just work...

I hate to suggest it, but the only other thing that's coming to me is to create a snippet with the Note: formatted the way you want. Insert it every time you add a note. Then at least if you needed to change the format, font weight, graphic, etc, you wouldn't have to make the change in a bazillion places. Not as slick as using a stylesheet, but possibly better than all-manual formatting. It basically guarantees a uniform code you can use to Find all instances and make a global change somewhere down the road (for example, if a software fix makes the styles work in Word and you want to convert the notes).

Of course, it lacks any semblance of elegance (Cool factor approaches zero...) :? Not the answer you were looking for, I know...
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Re: CSS property for adding text to a style, like "NOTE:"

Postby mattf on Wed Apr 30, 2008 10:14 pm

Thanks jmenning,
Not a terrible idea, really. You're right, though. I just want the CSS to work all the way through to the PDF.
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Re: CSS property for adding text to a style, like "NOTE:"

Postby SteveS on Thu May 01, 2008 12:40 am

Of course we can cheat...
note.JPG

... use a table.
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<table class="table_1" style="width: 600px;">
            <col style="width: 65px;" />
            <col />
            <tr>
                <td class="td_1">
                    <p class="p_1" MadCap:autonum="Note 1:">&#160;</p>
                </td>
                <td class="td_2">
                    <p class="p_2">For blog</p>
                </td>
            </tr>
        </table>

Stylesheet:
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td
{
   vertical-align: top;
}

p.p_1
{
   font-weight: bold;
   mc-auto-number-format: 'Note {n+}:';
}

td.td_1
{
   background-color: #92D050;
   border-top-style: dotted;
   border-top-width: 2pt;
   border-top-color: #FF0000;
   border-left-style: dotted;
   border-left-width: 2pt;
   border-left-color: #FF0000;
   border-bottom-style: dotted;
   border-bottom-width: 2pt;
   border-bottom-color: #FF0000;
}

p.p_2
{
   margin-bottom: 0pt;
}

td.td_2
{
   background-color: #92D050;
   border-top-style: dotted;
   border-top-width: 2pt;
   border-top-color: #FF0000;
   border-right-style: dotted;
   border-right-width: 2pt;
   border-right-color: #FF0000;
   border-bottom-style: dotted;
   border-bottom-width: 2pt;
   border-bottom-color: #FF0000;
}

table.table_1
{
   background-color: #92D050;
   border-collapse: collapse;
}

Not elegant, but it works.
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Re: CSS property for adding text to a style, like "NOTE:"

Postby KevinDAmery on Thu May 01, 2008 6:07 am

The cool people don't use tables for layout.

'Course, the cool people are the ones with their underwear poking above the waist of their pants.

(Translation: if it works, I don't much care if it's secksy....)
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Re: CSS property for adding text to a style, like "NOTE:"

Postby mattf on Fri May 02, 2008 3:12 pm

Eureka! Here's a solution that works both for WebHelp AND FOR PRINT! Scott DeLoach teaches a great Flare seminar in CSS, which I highly recommend to all. I climbed the mountain to talk to the swami of stylesheets, and here's what he came up with...

Hi Matt,
That was a good challenge!

Here's an approach that works in Word, IE7/8, FF 3, Opera 7, Safari 2. Didn't test it in IE6, but it should work.

The trick is to create a span class to format the "NOTE." So, first create a span class that includes your formatting. I tested bold and a font color, and both worked.

Next, open your note style. For mc-auto-number-format, type your content. Don't use the formatting options, like {b}. Word won't know what those are. Instead, use the mc-auto-number-class property to specify your class.


The only part that might need further explication is entering the auto-number-class. At first I tried to enter "span.note" in the mc-auto-number-class, since Scott didn't say exactly what to put in there. That didn't work (didn't even "take"). If you've created a span class called "span.note", then all you do is enter "note" in the mc-auto-number-class... and by golly... It Just Works.

Many thanks to Scott for getting me/us through this sticky wicket!
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Re: CSS property for adding text to a style, like "NOTE:"

Postby mattf on Fri May 02, 2008 3:31 pm

To make this simpler to reproduce, if any of you care to, I'm pasting the code I used for both the <p> classes and the <span> classes, based on my understanding of Scott's instructions:

Here's the css for the subclasses p.Note:
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p.Note
{
   font-style: normal;
   mc-auto-number-class: note;
   padding-top: 0.5em;
   padding-bottom: 0.5em;
   padding-left: 0.5em;
   mc-auto-number-format: 'NOTE:  ';
   background-color: #d2f0ff;
}

And here's the css for the span classes.
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span.note
{
   font: Arial;
   font-family: sans-serif;
   font-weight: bold;
   font-size: 10pt;
}


I also made similar for TIP:, IMPORTANT:, and WARNING:, and gave each of them a different background color. You can even give each word a different color by adding "color: #ff0000" (for red) in the span class.

Hope this is helpful to some.
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Re: CSS property for adding text to a style, like "NOTE:"

Postby Dave Lee on Fri May 02, 2008 4:13 pm

Glad you got it sorted, but did you not see this method mentioned further up the thread? :wink:
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Re: CSS property for adding text to a style, like "NOTE:"

Postby mattf on Fri May 02, 2008 4:23 pm

Jeepers, now I'm pretty embarrassed. Now that I go back and look, I remember seeing that option but that spot in the thread was where my confusion was approaching its peak, and your comment beneath your explanation led me to believe that it would cause all the text in the NOTE: paragraph to be formatted bold, which I didn't want. It appears now maybe that wasn't what you were saying. Anyway, that's the ONE suggestion in the thread I never tried. Oh well. The job's done.
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Re: CSS property for adding text to a style, like "NOTE:"

Postby DurtyMat on Tue May 06, 2008 12:08 pm

what if you need a hanging indent on the next line of the note? thats why i did the image gimmick....BUT, we really need a solid note/example/dange will robinson/tip for our print/web output ....

this thread is making me feel like a /sadpanda

but here:

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Re: CSS property for adding text to a style, like "NOTE:"

Postby dang on Tue May 06, 2008 2:49 pm

Here is a hack for indenting the text portion of the note for online output only. Word output still displays pretty well, sans indented text.

The idea is to apply a negative indent to the autonumber.

Indent p.Note a little more (margin-left: 4em;):
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p.Note1
{
   font-style: normal;
   mc-auto-number-class: note;
   padding-top: 0.5em;
   padding-left: 0em;
   padding-bottom: .5em;
   margin-left: 4em;
   mc-auto-number-format: 'NOTE:  ';
   background-color: #d2f0ff;
}


Apply a negative indent to span.note (margin-left: -3.5em;):
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span.note
{

   font: Arial;
   font-family: sans-serif;
   font-weight: bold;
   color:red;
   margin-left: -3.5em;
   }


Wrap it all in a new div:
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div.Note
{
  background-color: #d2f0ff;
}


It is easiest to save your note (p.Note wrapped in div.Note) as a snippet for re-use rather than manually applying the styles.

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Re: CSS property for adding text to a style, like "NOTE:"

Postby DurtyMat on Tue Jun 03, 2008 10:08 am

thanks dan for the reply, anyone have any ideas how to get the hanging indent to work? the team just got on my back about trying to get these silly note/danger/warning gimmicks to work in word outputs.

thanks in advance.

ps - glad the OP got his to work :P

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