Even/odd page layouts wrong when chapter starts on even page

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qtxasjo
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Even/odd page layouts wrong when chapter starts on even page

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It's Friday afternoon in this part of the world and I'm tired so please forgive me if I'm missing something obvious.

For my printed output (PDF) I use a front matter page layout for my cover and TOC and a chapter page layout for my chapters. The chapter page layout contains three layouts, first, left and right. In the TOC I have set each chapter topic to start with a chapter break, use the 'first' page and disabled "Auto-end on 'left' page". I would expect the first page of each chapter to use the 'first' page layout and that the following odd pages would use the 'right' page layout and even pages the 'left' page layout. However, if a chapter starts on an even page, the first page uses the correct page layout but then odd pages in the chapter will use the 'left' page layout and even pages will use the 'right' page layout. Chapters starting on odd pages use the correct page layouts throughout. What am I missing?
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Re: Even/odd page layouts wrong when chapter starts on even page

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Ah, this is a battle I have had many-a-time (layouts and page ordering). Not 100% sure what's causing it but I will give you a few things to try in the hope that one of them helps!

It sounds like you've set up the page settings for the first page in each chapter, but have you specified any page layout breaks and/or chapter breaks for the pages that follow the first page?
If there are any chapter or page breaks that are present on following pages just make sure that for these you have selected the '(continue L/R)' option and the 'auto-end on left page' is disabled for these too.

If you don't have any page breaks throughout the chapter (i.e., you only specify the first page in each chapter), Flare seems to automatically select 'auto-end on left page' to be enabled. However, this is greyed out so I'm not sure how much regard Flare gives to it. If you're desperate, you may want to try enabling a page break with 'disabled' selected and then, go back into it and change it to no break. The 'disabled' will be greyed out.

Also, in your page layouts (the .flpgl files -- found in Content Explorer > Content > Resources > PageLayouts), just check your page properties. In the General Tab, make sure the your desired left page is set to left and also down the bottom of that same tab the Page Name and Page Type also both say 'left'. Then do the same for right.

Also, in the 'Target', do you have 'inject empty pages as neede to ensure TOC nodes start on their selected pages' ticked?

Not sure if anything there will help but I found they have all played a role in me being able to get the pages to co-operate. If it doesn't work and I have time I'll set up an example myself and see if I can get it to work the way yours is.
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Re: Even/odd page layouts wrong when chapter starts on even page

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Hi, I think there is a problem with using the First page layout in your scenario. The Flare Helps says "This page type can be used in a situation where you are creating a simple configuration and you are not concerned with left and right pages (e.g., a document for electronic distribution only). In most cases, a First page type would be followed by Normal pages."
If you care about left/right pages, I think you have to use First Left/First Right in combination with Left/Right layouts.
I find the Page Type Flow Scenarios (in Flare Help) a good visualisation of how the page layout works in different situations. If you haven't already, take a look if your design is described. You can find it in Page Layouts > Pages > Page Type Flow Scenarios.
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Re: Even/odd page layouts wrong when chapter starts on even page

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Lydia, thank you so very much for pointing me in the right direction!

I removed the 'First' page layout and added a 'First Right' and a 'First Left' page layout and then set the first chapter in the TOC to 'First Right' (since that always starts on page 1) and the following chapters to 'Continue FL/FR'. It works like a charm, I'm so happy. :D
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Re: Even/odd page layouts wrong when chapter starts on even page

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Glad I could help out :)
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Re: Even/odd page layouts wrong when chapter starts on even page

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My thanks also. I've been having a lot of problems with pages not starting/finishing where I thought they would, but in fact the page layout scenarios that Lydia points to describe everything very well. In my case, I thought just having an Empty page layout would work, but in fact you need an Empty Left page to fulfil the First Right Scenario. Cheers.
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