Pagelyout: Title page + Empty page shown swicthed?

[Rene Severens]

Greetings,

For a PDF, i have created a pagelayout for the title page [T] followed by an empty page [E].
I have the pdf option checked to handle empty pages.
I have 1 topic hooked up to this pagelayout (the page layout is imported from a linked project).
I have the topic set to page type Title and Auto-end on left page Enabled.

Whatever combination, variation or permutation I try, the pdf output EITHER does: A: not show the second [E] empty page, OR B: shows the [E] empty page as first page followed by the title page.

What configuration am I missing here?

Rene Severens

[ChoccieMuffin]

Do both pages contain a Body frame (or whatever it's called)? If not, Flare sometimes gets confused and does all sorts of odd things.

[Rene Severens]

Hi,

Thanks for the reply.

No: the title page has a body frame, and 2 decoration frames, on top covering about half the page, followed by the body which is in turn followed by the second decoration frame; these frames do not overlap. The second page has a footer frame and a decoration frame, positioned near the bottom of the page and these frames also have no overlap. The footer on the second page holds 3 <p> tags filled with text and a variable, the body on the title page holds 4 <p>-tags all filled with a variable only.

I already searched and read the complete forum and found a similar "solution". I even tried adding a body frame and removing it again, but the result is not as expected.

According to the help file, the second page must be and [E]mpty page, of which there are 3: Empty, Empty Left, and Empty right.
If this functionality only works on these special page types, then what is the program looking for in these pages in relation to their previous page so they will be processed correctly. For example, suppose that the title frame must have a headerframe because the [E]mpty page is looking for (something inside) the headerframe in the previous page?

Curently I still continue using a separate pagelayout for the second page (backside of the title page).

Greetings,
Rene Severens

[ChoccieMuffin]

Try sticking a body frame on your Empty page and see what happens.

[Rene Severens]

Hi,

No, I already tried that.

Maybe a better question would be: "What exactly is meant with "Empty page handling?".
A: Is it that when printing the PDF an empty page is inserted, but when viewing online, no empty page is shown?
or:
B: When creating a pagelayout that contains a [T] and an [E] page, only 1 topic page is needed in the TOC as title page [T], and that the second page, the [E]mpty page is inserted automatically in the TOC so no SecondPage.html file is needed, and that this 'SecondPage' will use the defined [E]mpty pagelayout (that contains a footer) so it will show in the generated output?

I am beginning to believe A is correct and B is what I had hoped for (seen the examples in the help) this option would do.

So assuming it wil be A, (i haven't done a print test yet), I still continue to use the alternative SecondPage.html with an own assigned pagelayout.

Greetings,
Rene Severens

[Msquared]

This is exactly how I do my title page, and the following page (which is a copyright page).

I have one topic, which is the title topic. In my case, that topic usually just contains a graphic, which varies from document to document. Everything else comes from the page layout, even the document name, date, version etc, which are all variables. In some cases, the title topic is actually empty and absolutely everything comes from the page layout.

The following "empty" page is just the copyright info, which is exactly the same for every document, and has no topic associated with it. Everything that ends up on the copyright page has come from the "empty" page in the page layout.

The page layout is a separate "front matter" page layout. It isn't the page layout I use for the rest of my content. It has two page types, a Title page and an Empty page. The title page, as Choccie Muffin says, must contain a body frame, as there must be a topic associated with it to get the title page to appear in your output at all. And if there is a topic associated with a page, the page layout for that page must have a body frame. This is the case even if the topic is actually empty, as I found out to my cost a while ago, or you will get some odd results.

Then, in the TOC entry for my title topic, on the Printed Output tab, I have the following settings.
Break type is Page Layout break.
Page Layout is my front matter page layout.
Page type is Title
"Auto-end on Left page" is Enabled.

Try those settings and if you still have problems, post more details, and I'll try to help you get it working.

[Rene Severens]

Hi,

Thanks for your reply.

The output is OK now. On the TOC tab Advanced I cleared the Empty Page Handling option which I enabled because I understood that that is needed when using empty pages.
But apparently witt this option enabled, the empty page does not show up in the output at all.

But then I swicthed directions in thinking the program must be looking forward instead of backward to determine the position of the next page. The next page is the TOC using the tocproxy and a pagelayout of type [N]ormal. So I changed the pagetype of the TOC to [R]ight, and now if enabled or disabled the Empty pagehandling option, as a result I get the correct output!

So is seems that if an [E]mpty page is followed by a [N]ormal page, the empty page is not handled as expected, or maybe an [E]mpty page must not be followed by a [N]ormal page.

Thanks for your help!

Greetings,
René Severens