For Flare's 10 or 11, latest status of XREFS in Word Target?

[Phlawm53]

For Flare 10 or 11, both exhibit the same behavior / defect.

Are cross-references supposed to be working in Word (2007) Targets? If yes, what limitations do or do not currently apply to the format of those XREFs?

There have been some earlier discussions about the non-operation of XREFs in Word Targets. (The most informative discussion got cluttered with a sidebar about embedding images in Word docs.) The information from those discussions back in 2010 or so was that in Word Targets only the page number portion of a cross-reference was clickable. And that this behavior was by design.

I have cross references that just aren't working. One format is "{i}{paratext}{/i}". Another is "{i}{paratext}{/i} on page {page}" NEITHER of these formats are clickable. Hyperlinks work but I'd really like to use cross-references.

Any ideas?

Cheers & thanks,
Riley
SFO

[dorcutt]

This is my mc-format of my xrefs that work in Word (and both Flare 10 and 11). This is straight from the CSS:

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mc-format: '{i}{color DodgerBlue}{quote}{paranum} {paratext}{quote}{/color}{/i}{pageref}';

In the Flare editor, the mc-format is as follows:

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{i}{color DodgerBlue}"{paranum} {paratext}"{/color}{/i} {pageref}

As mentioned, only the page number tends to be clickable. Maybe that can help with the troubleshooting.

Additionally, I would add that sometimes Word x-refs can be a bit wonky. I'd try a number of them in different places, and make sure that the heading that you're referencing does not contain a variable or a snippet. Sometimes that can mess up word xrefs pretty badly also.

[Phlawm53]

As mentioned, only the page number tends to be clickable. Maybe that can help with the troubleshooting.

Additionally, I would add that sometimes Word x-refs can be a bit wonky. I'd try a number of them in different places, and make sure that the heading that you're referencing does not contain a variable or a snippet. Sometimes that can mess up word xrefs pretty badly also.

Nope, these are all referencing headings. And none of em work for [quano].

Even the ones I have with page numbers are dead. Sigh...

Cheers & thanks,
Riley
SFO

[dorcutt]

Hrm, odd. I literally just used the mc-format xrefs that I just posted to make functional Word cross-references using Flare 11. Seems to me like you're dealing with a bug here.

I suppose I should note that I am using Word 2010. Is there a way you can try it with a more recent Word version than 2007, then maybe save it in 2007 format?

On a "hail mary" level, one thing that might be worth trying is that there is a mysterious checkbox In the General tab of the Flare Options called "Import/Export Word Files Without MS Office." The WebHelp page for that option is broken, but I gather that it uses some built-in features in Flare to try to generate Word output without using MS Office. You might want to try generating your output with that checked and see if it miraculously happens to fix the problem. Of course, I don't know if Flare will just ignore that setting if it sees there's a perfectly valid Word installation present.

[Phlawm53]

@dorcutt:

Thanks for the ideas.

I only have Word 2007 to work with.

The Flare option had no apparent effect.

The XREFs work fine in PDF and HTML5.

I'm normally good with tools, but am having SEVERAL problems with Flare 10 & 11 Word output. I also have LIs that are followed immediately by a NEWLINE followed by the list item's text. No easy way, it seems. to use Word's FIND/REPLACE tool to find incidences of those, so have to fix manually.

I'm trying desperately to get a pile of stand-alone Word Targets out today. I wish the damn thing "just worked"...

Cheers & thanks,
Riley
SFO

[dorcutt]

Okay, I think I can help with that Li part anyway (if you haven't already done it manually by now). If not, well, I tried.

You can use the Style Inspector (available through the Manage Styles window) to find out exactly what style is being used for your bullet lists. For me it was "List Paragraph." Then, in the Style Manager window, if you select the "Select All X Instances" of that style, they'll all be highlighted. You can now do a find and replace for the newline character in the selection (probably ^l) (that is an "L"). If you're not confident with "replace all", find next/replacing it will get you there faster than a manual find/replace.

As a person who also had to generate a large amount of Word output on a deadline, you have my symapthy.

This is a page on the Style Features of 2007 in case my quick description wasn't cutting it. https://support.office.com/en-nz/articl ... bb6ede1ba4

[Phlawm53]

@Dorcutt:

EDIT: I believe I found in Word the tools you referred to. But even though I have the style selected in the Word document, and the style is listed in the long Style window / list, if I then right-click that style the Select All option is disabled (greyed out) and has "Not currently used" appended to the style name.

Just to be clear, the problem is in the Word outputs only, but intermittently within those outputs. The general form is li_n followed by p_n where "n" is an integer.

The same styles are perfect in PDF or HTML5. It's another Word thing. I have filed this as a bug.

Ugh! Sigh...

Cheers & thanks 'gain,
Riley

[dorcutt]

Yeah, it's probably a bug with Flare output and word 2007 specifically. Too bad the Word styles trick didn't work for you. I was able to use it to fix the intermittent newlines on my end, but again, Word 2010. It seemed like the functionality was the same, though the Word 2010 style manager window seemed a bit more advanced and had more options than the Word 2007 one I saw in the screenshot.

Ah well, sorry I struck out! Hope it all worked out okay anyway. Prioritizing updating Word might also be a good idea in the meantime, it seems, until the bug is fixed

-Dan

[Phlawm53]

I ended up creating hyperlinks simply to get the Word output usable for the deadline. Not a fix, merely a circumvention.

[dorcutt]

Ugh, that must have been a huge amount of effort.

Incidentally, I found some of those newline "li"s in my word output also the other day. Good times.

[Phlawm53]

Incidentally, I found some of those newline "li"s in my word output also the other day. Good times.

See if this helps: viewtopic.php?f=10&t=21015

Cheers,
Riley
SFO