Page break problems

[ccardimon]

Check the p.TOC1, p.TOC2, etc., styles, and make sure there aren't page-break-before or -after properties set.

Hmmm, what if I don't have p.TOC1 or p.TOC2 styles?

Nevermind. I just found them. I had "Show Paragraph Styles" set. I had to switch to "Show All Styles."

My p.toc1 and p.toc2 do check out okay.

[doc_guy]

Nevermind. I just found them. I had "Show Paragraph Styles" set. I had to switch to "Show All Styles."
My p.toc1 and p.toc2 do check out okay.

FYI, when I'm trying to identify stuff like this, I sometimes find it is helpful to look at the stylesheet in the internal text editor, or in an external editor (like TextPad). It helps me see exactly what is in the Stylesheet, which can be a trick sometimes in Flare's stylesheet editor.

[ccardimon]

Nevermind. I just found them. I had "Show Paragraph Styles" set. I had to switch to "Show All Styles."
My p.toc1 and p.toc2 do check out okay.

FYI, when I'm trying to identify stuff like this, I sometimes find it is helpful to look at the stylesheet in the internal text editor, or in an external editor (like TextPad). It helps me see exactly what is in the Stylesheet, which can be a trick sometimes in Flare's stylesheet editor.

Thanks. I will.

[ccardimon]

I finally opened my Stylesheet in the text editor to make it easier to see what the heck is going on. The things I added are at the bottom and look okay to me:

div.KeepTogether
{
page-break-inside: avoid;
}

p.PageBreak
{
page-break-after: always;
}

Still trying to figure out why my TOC sometimes goes wonky.

[ccardimon]

First I would go into the style sheet and add a class to the div tag (either in the editor or in the text view - your call). You'd end up with div.KeepTogether (or whatever you choose to call your new class. Go to the Print Support section (in the Advanced view - I'm not familiar with the Simple view, it confuses me) and find the "page-break-inside" property. Set it to "avoid".

Then go back to your topic, select the sentence and image (or other elements you want to ensure stay together) then use the Format menu and select Group. Select your new div style from the Create Group dialog. That's it!

Okay, I've done this, but I'm seeing odd things. Gee, imagine that. ANYWHO, the text covered by my DIV tag sometimes looks bunched up. As in, one word on each line, left justified. To get it back to "normal," I unchecked Show Markers.

Another thing, what should be covered by the DIV tag? I have the text and the image that I want to keep together each covered by separate P tags and, therefore, separate DIV tags. Should it be this way?

[KevinDAmery]

If you want to keep the text and the image on the same page, they should both be in the same div.

[ccardimon]

If you want to keep the text and the image on the same page, they should both be in the same div.

I knew you were going to say that.

Can the same DIV tag span two P tags?

Or do I need to have the text and image covered by the same P tag and then put in a DIV tag?

[helen]

Yup, as Kevin says - whatever you want to keep together needs to be in the same <div> tag. A <div> tag can contain numerous other tags including more than one <p> tag etc. I mostly use mine to hold bunches of <p> tags, <table> tags, and the odd <img> tag. If you select the stuff you want grouped using the XML editor and use the Format > Group menu and select your div.KeepTogether element, Flare will do the hard work for you and group your elements into one <div> tag.

I've not noticed text "bunching" when I've used <div> tags but then I've not looked too closely. How does the output look?

[ccardimon]

I've not noticed text "bunching" when I've used <div> tags but then I've not looked too closely. How does the output look?

What do you mean by "output," exactly? Word, PDF, WebHelp?

[helen]

I've not noticed text "bunching" when I've used <div> tags but then I've not looked too closely. How does the output look?

What do you mean by "output," exactly? Word, PDF, WebHelp?

I was referring to this problem in a previous post:

Okay, I've done this, but I'm seeing odd things. Gee, imagine that. ANYWHO, the text covered by my DIV tag sometimes looks bunched up. As in, one word on each line, left justified. To get it back to "normal," I unchecked Show Markers.

I just wondered if it just looked bunched up in the WYSI(almost)WYG is if it appeared bunched up in your output as well (whatever target you're using).

[ccardimon]

The text I'm referrring to looks bunched up only in the Flare XML editor.

[ccardimon]

Yup, as Kevin says - whatever you want to keep together needs to be in the same <div> tag. A <div> tag can contain numerous other tags including more than one <p> tag etc. I mostly use mine to hold bunches of <p> tags, <table> tags, and the odd <img> tag. If you select the stuff you want grouped using the XML editor and use the Format > Group menu and select your div.KeepTogether element, Flare will do the hard work for you and group your elements into one <div> tag.

Thanks for the help. I think I might finally have this right. Gotta test it first. Grin.

[Andrew]

The text I'm referrring to looks bunched up only in the Flare XML editor.

That's sort of an issue with the XML Editor -- it's often imperfect in terms of display (after all, it's a text editor, and not a browser). It's one of those things you just have to work around in most cases (and, of course, report bugs...otherwise, they don't get fixed).

As long as it works in the output (and usually, the Preview works properly even if the XML Editor doesn't), I'm usually okay with it.

[ccardimon]

The text I'm referrring to looks bunched up only in the Flare XML editor.

That's sort of an issue with the XML Editor -- it's often imperfect in terms of display (after all, it's a text editor, and not a browser). It's one of those things you just have to work around in most cases (and, of course, report bugs...otherwise, they don't get fixed).

As long as it works in the output (and usually, the Preview works properly even if the XML Editor doesn't), I'm usually okay with it.

Good to know. Thank you.

[kcann]

Help!

I am trying to keep together an h3, a p followed by another p, then an li on a single page. I've set up a 'keepTogether' div, but that seems to only apply to a whole list, not just one li.

I'd rather use the standard page break settings, but they don't seem to work. Does anyone know why a 'page-break-before: avoid' on an ol or an li seems to have no effect?

Thanks!
K